Comments on: The 6502 in “The Terminator” http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64 Some Assembly Required Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:36:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: In case you are wondering if Apple will take over the world... http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-103091 In case you are wondering if Apple will take over the world... Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:29:17 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-103091 [...] movie was busy listing out Apple II assembly code while it was walking around killing people... http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64 http://www.pagetable.com/docs/terminator/00-37-23.jpg [...] [...] movie was busy listing out Apple II assembly code while it was walking around killing people… http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64 http://www.pagetable.com/docs/terminator/00-37-23.jpg [...]

]]> By: U. N. Owen http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-102201 U. N. Owen Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:37:27 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-102201 Dude, it was a Cyberdyne 6502 emulator, so it could run the programs of the day. Haha. Dude, it was a Cyberdyne 6502 emulator, so it could run the programs of the day. Haha.

]]> By: Jim http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100757 Jim Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:21:07 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100757 So it looks like the Futurama gag with Bender and the 6502 went deeper than I thought... "Want me to precludify him, like some kind of dispatcherator?" So it looks like the Futurama gag with Bender and the 6502 went deeper than I thought… “Want me to precludify him, like some kind of dispatcherator?”

]]> By: markov_chain http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100748 markov_chain Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:24:32 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100748 @vaxboy: Very much appreciate your play-by-play of the home computer evolution... I grew up in Europe blissfully ignorant (what kid isn't) of happenings behind the scenes so I enjoy this sort of commentary and connecting the dots. For the record I started with ZX Spectrums and a bunch of other 8-bit kit computers and then moved to the Atari ST family. But in my heart I always knew Amigas were heads and shoulders above, just never could afford one ;) @vaxboy: Very much appreciate your play-by-play of the home computer evolution… I grew up in Europe blissfully ignorant (what kid isn’t) of happenings behind the scenes so I enjoy this sort of commentary and connecting the dots. For the record I started with ZX Spectrums and a bunch of other 8-bit kit computers and then moved to the Atari ST family. But in my heart I always knew Amigas were heads and shoulders above, just never could afford one ;)

]]> By: Appleslices IIe http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100677 Appleslices IIe Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:31:28 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100677 [...] was reading the comp.sys.apple posts today and saw a post from PZ that lead his blog displaying the 6502 code from the Terminator movie in great resolution. I immediately realized that these images would make a great desktop, but here [...] [...] was reading the comp.sys.apple posts today and saw a post from PZ that lead his blog displaying the 6502 code from the Terminator movie in great resolution. I immediately realized that these images would make a great desktop, but here [...]

]]> By: Peter William Lount http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100373 Peter William Lount Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:25:46 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100373 The 6502 assembly listing is actually the Apple ][ DOS 3.3 listing! It was quite funny the first time I saw Terminator on the opening day! Likely I was one of the very few in the theater anywhere that day who could read that display and know what it said! It did take me out of the movie experience for a moment though... but hey, if the terminator had a 6502 that's cool. I'm of course a brain with 6502 encoded in my dna strands. Naturally during the construction of Gemstone Warrior and Gemstone Healer video games I disassembled the entire Apple DOS eventually chopping away most of it including the sections that the terminator kept - they were just too slow. I gather the terminator evolved in the later movies. Funny that I'm studying the AMD64 architecture in detail again today and come across this article. I was just going to post a similar one on my blog... you beat me to it... Anyway, here's to Apple DOS 3.3! Here's to the terminator and their cheesy effects! Maybe I'll did my Apple ][ out and find the listing! That would be way cool for a blog post! The 6502 assembly listing is actually the Apple ][ DOS 3.3 listing! It was quite funny the first time I saw Terminator on the opening day! Likely I was one of the very few in the theater anywhere that day who could read that display and know what it said! It did take me out of the movie experience for a moment though... but hey, if the terminator had a 6502 that's cool.

I'm of course a brain with 6502 encoded in my dna strands. Naturally during the construction of Gemstone Warrior and Gemstone Healer video games I disassembled the entire Apple DOS eventually chopping away most of it including the sections that the terminator kept - they were just too slow. I gather the terminator evolved in the later movies.

Funny that I'm studying the AMD64 architecture in detail again today and come across this article. I was just going to post a similar one on my blog... you beat me to it...

Anyway, here's to Apple DOS 3.3! Here's to the terminator and their cheesy effects!

Maybe I'll did my Apple ][ out and find the listing! That would be way cool for a blog post!

]]> By: 4 minutos de Terminator Salvation en HD http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100149 4 minutos de Terminator Salvation en HD Tue, 12 May 2009 05:15:53 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100149 [...] leyenda Urbana cuenta que a aquella lejana primera parte de los 80s rescatamos este artĂ­culo que revela que el HUD del temible T-800 mostraba en realidad cĂłdigo mĂĄquina ensamblador del CPU [...] [...] leyenda Urbana cuenta que a aquella lejana primera parte de los 80s rescatamos este artĂ­culo que revela que el HUD del temible T-800 mostraba en realidad cĂłdigo mĂĄquina ensamblador del CPU [...]

]]> By: vaxboy http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100147 vaxboy Mon, 11 May 2009 22:10:56 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100147 @Peter Balogh, I do praise the Atari 400/800 which were among Jay Miner's final custom chips efforts before turning to the gorgeous Amiga. It is the AtariST (and later) that I despise as filth. Why? Back in those days, it took 4 years to fabricate a new chip. Amiga Inc. had formed (with Jay Miner, Dale Luck, RJ Michael and others) to do just that. After years of baking, the Amiga appeared. 40 year old Commodore Business Machines moved in to buy it, but before it could happen, a fight broke out between the CEO and the Chairman who had just gained control of the company. The CEO of 40 yers quit and tried to buy Amiga Inc. on his own, in a new company. The Chairman of Commodore objected and completed the purchase of Amiga Inc. The new company that the former CEO of Commodore had founded knew it was DOOMED because it didn't have 4 long years of 22 hour days to recreate the chipset. So what did it do? It put together a turkey which did what the Amiga did in software (instead of hardware), so it ran like 1000x slower and was a dog --and he priced it like a Commodore 64 (sweat spot) --way way below the price of an Amiga (because he didn't have the extra cost of the hardware chips on his Bill of Materials and because he was using cheap Indian laborers in America). So what did he decide to call this new piece of crap? Being a million years old, he did not realize the name was tainted to forever be associated with VIDEO GAMES and he, in fact, reportedly paid $45K to buy the name "Atari", which had obviously gone defunct after Jay Miner took off years earlier. Then he marketed his low-cost piece of crap as an Atari ST for years up against the Amiga. The public began to think of the Amiga and Atari as being similar products and somehow associated with video GAMES, thus destroying the credibility of the Amiga in business --leaving the door wide open for the vastly inferior Macintosh and eventually Windows products. In the end, Amiga and Commodore will killed with Bill Gates lamenting at how he had been wise enough to steer clear of that disaster (by not supporting it with Office and BASIC as he did the early Macs). Jay Miner, seeing his life's work go up in smoke over a slow motion decade, died a little while later of kidney problems, he was 62 --Windows 3.11 (the first "real" Windows) was 2. The CEO of the "new" Atari, a holocaust survivor, retired and the last I heard, he let his two boys run what was left of the company. Meanwhile at Apple, they had fired Steve Jobs and the French idiots who took over R&D basically had an Amiga 1000 in the basement they were surgically dissecting and running upstairs every few days to proclaim their new "inventions" ---such as QuickDrawGX (aka Amiga GfxBase), AppleScript!! (aka ARexx), PlainTalk!! (aka Amiga Speech Synthesizer), nuBus!! (ZorroBus!) and the list goes on and on. Those maggots got theirs when CALPERS fired the Pepsi Drinker, the Board who put him there and the French Guys, brought in real dudes from Rockwell and the Navy/DOD who quickly realized they needed to buy Steve Jobs back...and the rest his history. Only one part I'm leaving out. WE ALL LOST 15 YEARS OF OUR LIVES! Even if you were not into Tech, how much of your life was spent editing CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT or dealing with crappy DOS programs while your kids grew up without an Internet and all the great things that came from multimedia-computers with a graphical user interface. I'm sure it all makes perfect sense to the man who saw his family murdered by the Nazis as a small boy, but it was just wrong. Ok, well going back to my happy place now. Remember, you asked! @Peter Balogh, I do praise the Atari 400/800 which were among Jay Miner’s final custom chips efforts before turning to the gorgeous Amiga. It is the AtariST (and later) that I despise as filth. Why? Back in those days, it took 4 years to fabricate a new chip. Amiga Inc. had formed (with Jay Miner, Dale Luck, RJ Michael and others) to do just that. After years of baking, the Amiga appeared. 40 year old Commodore Business Machines moved in to buy it, but before it could happen, a fight broke out between the CEO and the Chairman who had just gained control of the company. The CEO of 40 yers quit and tried to buy Amiga Inc. on his own, in a new company. The Chairman of Commodore objected and completed the purchase of Amiga Inc. The new company that the former CEO of Commodore had founded knew it was DOOMED because it didn’t have 4 long years of 22 hour days to recreate the chipset. So what did it do? It put together a turkey which did what the Amiga did in software (instead of hardware), so it ran like 1000x slower and was a dog –and he priced it like a Commodore 64 (sweat spot) –way way below the price of an Amiga (because he didn’t have the extra cost of the hardware chips on his Bill of Materials and because he was using cheap Indian laborers in America). So what did he decide to call this new piece of crap? Being a million years old, he did not realize the name was tainted to forever be associated with VIDEO GAMES and he, in fact, reportedly paid $45K to buy the name “Atari”, which had obviously gone defunct after Jay Miner took off years earlier. Then he marketed his low-cost piece of crap as an Atari ST for years up against the Amiga. The public began to think of the Amiga and Atari as being similar products and somehow associated with video GAMES, thus destroying the credibility of the Amiga in business –leaving the door wide open for the vastly inferior Macintosh and eventually Windows products. In the end, Amiga and Commodore will killed with Bill Gates lamenting at how he had been wise enough to steer clear of that disaster (by not supporting it with Office and BASIC as he did the early Macs). Jay Miner, seeing his life’s work go up in smoke over a slow motion decade, died a little while later of kidney problems, he was 62 –Windows 3.11 (the first “real” Windows) was 2. The CEO of the “new” Atari, a holocaust survivor, retired and the last I heard, he let his two boys run what was left of the company. Meanwhile at Apple, they had fired Steve Jobs and the French idiots who took over R&D basically had an Amiga 1000 in the basement they were surgically dissecting and running upstairs every few days to proclaim their new “inventions” —such as QuickDrawGX (aka Amiga GfxBase), AppleScript!! (aka ARexx), PlainTalk!! (aka Amiga Speech Synthesizer), nuBus!! (ZorroBus!) and the list goes on and on. Those maggots got theirs when CALPERS fired the Pepsi Drinker, the Board who put him there and the French Guys, brought in real dudes from Rockwell and the Navy/DOD who quickly realized they needed to buy Steve Jobs back…and the rest his history. Only one part I’m leaving out. WE ALL LOST 15 YEARS OF OUR LIVES! Even if you were not into Tech, how much of your life was spent editing CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT or dealing with crappy DOS programs while your kids grew up without an Internet and all the great things that came from multimedia-computers with a graphical user interface. I’m sure it all makes perfect sense to the man who saw his family murdered by the Nazis as a small boy, but it was just wrong. Ok, well going back to my happy place now. Remember, you asked!

]]> By: TrĂĄiler de 4 minutos de Terminator Salvation | DevNote http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100142 TrĂĄiler de 4 minutos de Terminator Salvation | DevNote Sun, 10 May 2009 11:30:15 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100142 [...] relacionado a aquella lejana primera parte de los 80s rescatamos este artĂ­culo que revela que el HUD del temible T-800 mostraba en realidad cĂłdigo mĂĄquina del CPU 6502 de la [...] [...] relacionado a aquella lejana primera parte de los 80s rescatamos este artĂ­culo que revela que el HUD del temible T-800 mostraba en realidad cĂłdigo mĂĄquina del CPU 6502 de la [...]

]]> By: alphazero http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100138 alphazero Fri, 08 May 2009 17:12:24 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100138 Check out the geeks in hollywood: http://staging.spectrum.ieee.org/print/8849 Check out the geeks in hollywood: http://staging.spectrum.ieee.org/print/8849

]]> By: ターミネーター(T-800)のCPUが判明 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100137 ターミネーター(T-800)のCPUが判明 Fri, 08 May 2009 16:39:58 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100137 [...] 元ネタはThe 6502 in “The Terminator” « pagetable.comから。 [...] [...] 元ネタはThe 6502 in “The Terminator” « pagetable.comから。 [...]

]]> By: Steve Jobs http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100134 Steve Jobs Fri, 08 May 2009 11:55:16 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100134 Yes, we are proud that the T1, T2 and T1000 all run on Mac OS X Leopard. Yes, we are proud that the T1, T2 and T1000 all run on Mac OS X Leopard.

]]> By: Enlightenment http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100128 Enlightenment Fri, 08 May 2009 02:29:41 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100128 This proves that Apple is Evil !!! This proves that Apple is Evil !!!

]]> By: Phil http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100127 Phil Fri, 08 May 2009 00:30:35 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100127 Why does the HUD need to include a compass? Shouldn't that be built in and the direction already known by the cyborg. Does it really need to look at a HUD to see that? I guess the same goes for the code. Why does the HUD need to include a compass? Shouldn’t that be built in and the direction already known by the cyborg. Does it really need to look at a HUD to see that? I guess the same goes for the code.

]]> By: Sarah Connor http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100126 Sarah Connor Fri, 08 May 2009 00:19:04 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100126 Funny. This is from the same genre of the big panels, full of blinking buttons in sci-fi movies. Or the sounds coming from the computer after each keystroke. Just a dumb effect to fool the layman. This is the perfect example of the motto: "Movies are to entertain, not to teach". Funny. This is from the same genre of the big panels, full of blinking buttons in sci-fi movies. Or the sounds coming from the computer after each keystroke. Just a dumb effect to fool the layman. This is the perfect example of the motto: “Movies are to entertain, not to teach”.

]]> By: Jacek http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100125 Jacek Thu, 07 May 2009 23:01:29 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100125 The new terminators (the ones that look much more attractive than Arnold) use JavaScript ;) The new terminators (the ones that look much more attractive than Arnold) use JavaScript ;)

]]> By: Jo Davis http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100123 Jo Davis Thu, 07 May 2009 22:29:34 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100123 OMg dude thats like totally insane! RT www.privacy-web.net.tc OMg dude thats like totally insane!

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]]> By: Peter Balogh http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100122 Peter Balogh Thu, 07 May 2009 21:08:53 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100122 Whoa, why all the hating at Atari? I learned 6502 assembly on an Atari 400, and that's how I recognized the Terminator code as well. I'm reading a book called "On the Edge" -- anyone interested in the 6502 will definitely want to check this out... http://www.amazon.com/Edge-Spectacular-Rise-Fall-Commodore/dp/0973864907/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241730498&sr=8-1 Whoa, why all the hating at Atari? I learned 6502 assembly on an Atari 400, and that’s how I recognized the Terminator code as well.

I’m reading a book called “On the Edge” — anyone interested in the 6502 will definitely want to check this out…

http://www.amazon.com/Edge-Spectacular-Rise-Fall-Commodore/dp/0973864907/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241730498&sr=8-1

]]> By: vaxboy http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100120 vaxboy Thu, 07 May 2009 20:30:07 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100120 Thank you for this. Where would we be without the old 6502 in the Apple ][, Commodore 64, VIC20 and PET? It's a bastard cousin of the 6800 and the 6809 was to be the heart of the Macintosh, but by the time they fished the damn thing (four years later), they went with the awesome 68000 chip. So did the Amiga. Damn Atari and Microsoft/Intel to hell for blowing up the universe and costing us 20 years of suffering with their Indian software-knock-off of the Amiga and dirty tricks to keep us pinned down editing CONFIG.SYS until they could kill DIGITAL, steal the VMS guys and rip-off the plans for the Alpha chip to build the Pentium. Fuckers. Ok, going back to my happy place of the 6502...now I'm thinking about its predecessor the RCA 1802...thank you for making my day. Time for my nappy poo. Thank you for this. Where would we be without the old 6502 in the Apple ][, Commodore 64, VIC20 and PET? It’s a bastard cousin of the 6800 and the 6809 was to be the heart of the Macintosh, but by the time they fished the damn thing (four years later), they went with the awesome 68000 chip. So did the Amiga. Damn Atari and Microsoft/Intel to hell for blowing up the universe and costing us 20 years of suffering with their Indian software-knock-off of the Amiga and dirty tricks to keep us pinned down editing CONFIG.SYS until they could kill DIGITAL, steal the VMS guys and rip-off the plans for the Alpha chip to build the Pentium. Fuckers. Ok, going back to my happy place of the 6502…now I’m thinking about its predecessor the RCA 1802…thank you for making my day. Time for my nappy poo.

]]> By: jason kreno http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100119 jason kreno Thu, 07 May 2009 19:16:37 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100119 @Eldito probably perl, if a real programmer built the 880. Ruby if it was an elitist web developer. @Eldito probably perl, if a real programmer built the 880.

Ruby if it was an elitist web developer.

]]> By: links for 2009-05-05 | Nerdcore http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100113 links for 2009-05-05 | Nerdcore Wed, 06 May 2009 06:03:43 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100113 [...] The 6502 in “The Terminator” « pagetable.com (tags: Terminator Apple Movies Coding) [...] [...] The 6502 in “The Terminator” « pagetable.com (tags: Terminator Apple Movies Coding) [...]

]]> By: Marc http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100110 Marc Tue, 05 May 2009 13:46:36 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100110 This is precisely why the robots became self-aware. You can't be giving the robots access to their own source code -- of course they're going to look at it and start modifying it to suit their own needs. At the very least, the developers should have removed the comments and obfuscated it. Its just common sense. This is precisely why the robots became self-aware. You can’t be giving the robots access to their own source code — of course they’re going to look at it and start modifying it to suit their own needs.

At the very least, the developers should have removed the comments and obfuscated it. Its just common sense.

]]> By: Eldito http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100109 Eldito Tue, 05 May 2009 11:22:33 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100109 Hilarious, although very romantic. 6502 code on T-800 HUDs definitively beats other famous Hollywood stereotypes introduced in War Games like the sound made by chars being printed to low-bandwidth terms, blinking lights on the WOPR, etc. Back to Terminator, I wonder what is displayed on more advanced Ts like the T-888 seen in the Chronicles series, or the T-1000! Ed. Hilarious, although very romantic.

6502 code on T-800 HUDs definitively beats other famous Hollywood stereotypes introduced in War Games like the sound made by chars being printed to low-bandwidth terms, blinking lights on the WOPR, etc.

Back to Terminator, I wonder what is displayed on more advanced Ts like the T-888 seen in the Chronicles series, or the T-1000!

Ed.

]]> By: Darkstar http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100108 Darkstar Tue, 05 May 2009 11:17:56 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100108 I remember noticing that back in the early 90's when I first saw the movie (and that was on a cheap PAL version). At that time I was learning C64 assembly and I immediately recognized all the LDA's and LDX's :) I forgot about it until today... I remember noticing that back in the early 90′s when I first saw the movie (and that was on a cheap PAL version). At that time I was learning C64 assembly and I immediately recognized all the LDA’s and LDX’s :)

I forgot about it until today…

]]> By: Jamie Le Souef http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100107 Jamie Le Souef Tue, 05 May 2009 10:40:46 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100107 So does this mean that the Apple-II is really from the not to distance future? Jobs must have worked for Cyberdyne Systems! So does this mean that the Apple-II is really from the not to distance future? Jobs must have worked for Cyberdyne Systems!

]]> By: Donncha O Caoimh http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64&cpage=1#comment-100106 Donncha O Caoimh Tue, 05 May 2009 10:20:14 +0000 http://www.pagetable.com/?p=64#comment-100106 That's brilliant. Nice to see the familiar old ASM commands pop up there! That’s brilliant. Nice to see the familiar old ASM commands pop up there!

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